Template talk:Christian mysticism

Rename template to Meditation?

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Aristophanes68 ( talk) 19:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

As you can all see, the template refers to itself as being about meditation and never uses the word mysticism. Recently, someone removed the template from the Christian mysticism page, and I wonder if maybe the two topics are different enough that we need to rename the template itself to Christian Meditation. Thoughts? Aristophanes68 ( talk) 23:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Oh, it's been moved--no discussion? Okay. Thanks! Aristophanes68 ( talk) 23:45, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Christian Mysticism — I strenuously disagree with this no-consensus move. The template is clearly about Christian mysticism. All the people listed, for instance, are known as Christian mystics, not meditators! Please read their articles! Ignatius of Loyola, Gregory of Nyssa, Bernard of Clairvaux, Guigo II, Francis of Assisi, well, the whole list is right in front of you. This list is not just about meditation!!! Please see Category:Christian mystics for an exhaustive list. And please restore this template to its rightful name. Elizium23 ( talk) 00:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Elizium23, no worries, Carl is a reasonable person, and I think we can talk to him about it. I left him a message as follows:
I saw that you moved/renamed the template to "Christian meditation" from mysticism. But that makes it technically not quite correct, for two reasons:
  • meditation as such is defined to be due to Guigo II, in the 12th century, and hence Gregory of Nyssa and Bernard of Clairvaux were mystics pre-12th century, but were not into meditation by the definitions in the articles about Guigo. Meditation is actually a component of mysticism.
  • although some of the people on there such as Teresa of Avila were deeply into meditation, others such as Francis de Sales or Therese of Lisieux were considered mystics, but not really big on meditation as such.
So I think it will be best to move it back. I have been intending to work on Christian mysticism which needs much help. We managed to get Christian meditation to Good article status, but the mysticism article qualifies for a "bad article" flag really. But right now, I do not have time to do mysticism, but hope to work on mysticism later this year. However, if you want to clean mysticism up, please do. Thanks. History2007 ( talk) 00:23, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
I think that if it's going to be named "mysticism," then it should read that it's part of a series on mysticism, not meditation. If we move it back to mysticism, then I recommend we change the wording of the template to match. Aristophanes68 ( talk) 00:31, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
No problem. A few keystrokes I think. History2007 ( talk) 00:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Do people agree that the template itself should be changed to say Mysticism? Aristophanes68 ( talk) 06:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
It says mysticism, as you wanted. Now that it has been moved back to where it was, do you want to remove the move request etc.? Thanks. History2007 ( talk) 09:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Sure thing. I hope it do the tags correctly--I've been editing here almost 5 years and I've never fully learned how to use most of these templates. So if I screw it up, please correct me. Thanks, Aristophanes68 ( talk) 19:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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